17/11/2018

Let's Eat Grandma : Live on KEXP




When they were 10 years old, Rosa Walton and Jenny Hollingworth were hanging out at the top of the stairs. Bored. Flopped over the banister. In unison, they began to sing: ‘When you don’t know what to do / And you’re feeling kinda blue…’ “And then my mum came along and said, ‘Get that leg off the banister!’” says Jenny. “And we went: ‘Get that leg off the banister! And you’ll know just what to do, d-d-doo, d-d-doo.’” Rosa and Jenny sing out the jazzy tune as they snap their fingers. They laugh hard, as they have done all day. If ‘Get That Leg Off The Banister’ wasn’t Let’s Eat Grandma’s very first song, it was ‘The Angry Chicken’, written with the aid of Rosa’s thirteenth birthday present – a guitar – and inspired by her chicken-shaped alarm clock. Jenny played along on her out-of-tune ukulele.

Bored kids, amusing themselves with literal ditties – it was all of us once; with a friend that we would have died without, if we were lucky. Yet Rosa and Jenny – now 16 and 17, respectively – seem even closer than that.

They’re not the identical twins that they’re so often mistaken for, or even sisters, although they’re happy to propel the myth with matching clothes and all that hair that’s got people comparing them to the sinister apparitions from The Shining. It’s precisely because they’re so inseparable… and because they want to fuck with people. They met in reception class, aged 4, and say they felt a special connection from the beginning. “Even when we’ve had other friends, we’ve always been separate from everyone else,” says Jenny. Rosa recalls play times at school spent “just the two of us, wandering around in our own world, playing games with stones and planning our escape from the playground – we used to think, ooh, we’re going to climb over the fence and then go to this place. I think the whole creation of our own world, which we use in our music, started from that young age.”

Year on year, at Jenny’s birthday parties, the two of them would eat their food away from the other children. Jenny’s sister might have been allowed to join them (Rosa is an only child), but everyone else sat on the other side of the table. Invited friends, but not Rosa. “We’ve got loads of photos and videos of Jenny’s birthdays over the years where we’re on our own, and every year it was like, ‘oh, this again…’”

It’s to their credit that they’re even in touch now that they’re young women, especially since they’ve not schooled together since they were both 7. At that time they vowed to meet up every 2 weeks, which might as well be a year when it’s your number 1 friend and you’re upgrading to middle school. I made similar arrangements with friends at the end of high school – I’ve not seen Keith Howgego since.

Today, they’ve got plenty of other friends, but none that are mutual. They either hang out just them, or totally separately. “I feel like that would be a weird dynamic, if we hung out with other people,” says Jenny, who describes Rosa as a daredevil. “I think that’s what appealed to me about her. I’ve always been a bit more cautious and sensitive, and Rosa balances me out. But we have the same creative ideas and imaginations. It’s almost like, where all the games we used to play was just us and nobody was watching, now it’s exactly the same but the difference is that there are lots of people looking in.”
Rosa and Jenny bluster across Eaton Park towards our meeting point by the bandstand. It was snowing in Norwich before we arrived; now it’s slate grey with interchangeable spells of icy rain and sudden blue skies. They laugh off the cold as soon as they reach us and break into song while we’re still shaking hands. “I’m Jenny” prompts a blast of ‘Jenny From The Block’ from Rosa and another song that I don’t know, but think has been spontaneously made up on the spot. It triggers more laughter, and so sets a happy pattern for the rest of the day – they burst into song and laugh a lot, and the rest of us (photographer, PR, stylist and hair and makeup artist) try to keep up. I can see how their other friends might not get a look in when Rosa and Jenny are together – they seem capable of speaking to one another with a glance, although that’s not to say that they’re not inclusive, and both are mindful to explain private jokes whenever it feels like they’re the only two giggling away. Like when they’re doing their surreal musical bit ‘Jenny Feat. The Dying Cat’, where Jenny strikes up a popular song and Rosa deliberately harmonises off-key. They demonstrate it to me with a rendition of James Blunt’s ‘Your Beautiful’. At the end they always sign off in a cod Chinese accent promoting whatever big has happened to them recently – today it’s “When you’re on the cover of Loud And Quiet.” They fall about.

We walk to the model boating lake and Jenny makes chit-chat by telling me how Eaton Park reminds her of being sick, after Rosa once made her take part in the weekly 5k run that’s held here at weekends. “Sorry,” she says, in one of a number of self-aware moments, “I don’t know why I’m telling you about the time I ran around the park constantly throwing up.”

She excitedly plays music on her phone while we photograph her and Rosa by the lake. She opts for a guy called Macintosh Plus and introduces me to an ambient micro genre called vaporwave. It reminds me that this is how teenagers listen to music, and that Let’s Eat Grandma are teenagers themselves. Rosa and Jenny aren’t ashamed of the fact, but they are aware of the risk of being treated as a novelty because of it. The truth is that they are all the best bits of being 16 and 17– quite mad, instantly confident and out to please themselves. And positioned here, squarely between adulthood and childhood, they’re awarded that unique free pass on dipping into either world whenever they like. So they sing James Blunt like dying cats, use the word ‘gourmet’ where we used to say ‘sick’ and repeat the saxophone hook from ‘Careless Whisper’ over and over, but they also eloquently voice their concerns about the British education system and the institutional sexism of the music industry that’s led them to explain to Sound Engineers that yes, they are the drummers in the band, even though they are girls. At one point, halfway through our sit-down interview, Rosa suddenly asked me if she can give a shout out to someone called Arthur Dellow. Then we’re straight back to the importance of challenging pop music archetypes. It’s a happy, lawless, disparate existence that’s fun to be around, and it’s had a direct and positive affect on the music Let’s Eat Grandma make.

Their debut single, ‘Deep Six Textbook’, has led most people to say the same thing – “At last, something a little bit different” – but they have no idea. ‘Deep Six Textbook’ is a down-tempo, slightly psychedelic alt. pop number full of wide open space and pinned on a drum track played somewhere in the middle distance. The girls’ vocals are just witchy enough for Kate Bush to be thrown in to most online summations and reposts, and this already beguiling single now comes with a video that piles on the weird as Rosa and Jenny tumble around a deserted beach in slow motion, dressed in the finest Victorian-ghost-children lace dresses. The stats on their Facebook page have a majority of their fans marked as 45- to 50-year-old men, but only half of LEG’s debut album (coming early summer via Transgressive Records) is in a remotely similar vein.

Following tracks include a deep synth banger called ‘Eat Shiitake Mushrooms’, featuring cute J-pop vocals and girlish rapping – the kind of song that PC Music have been trying to land on radio playlists for the last two years. There’s the distorted stromp of ‘Sax In The City’, too, ‘Chocolate Sludge Cake’, which features a pagan-sounding school recorder and pat-a-cake singsong, and a beautifully harmonized folk song accompanied by a mandolin, entitled ‘Chimpanzees in Canopies’. It’s a record that features no sampled instruments or extra musicians – every keyboard, guitar, drum, saxophone, harmonica, mandolin, cello, recorder, glockenspiel and ukulele was played by Rosa and Jenny, practically in a different, strange style on each of the 10 experimental tracks.

“Because we were listening to so much pop music we worked out the aspects we liked but also what we didn’t like from pop music,” says Rosa. “For example, if you listen to a whole album of pop, it gets really samey, and that was the point where we thought how about we make an album where every song is in a different style.

“We can’t wait for people to hear ‘Eat Shiitake Mushrooms’, because they’ve got us pinned as these creepy girls, which is how we’ve been presenting ourselves. But another part of our whole creepy thing is partly about not conforming to stereotypes. A lot of people do expect females in the music industry to be docile and acoustic and we’re not either of those things.”

“The aim is to create a really strong response from people,” adds Jenny, “and that’s why it’s really fun having really jumpy tracks, because people are like ‘What!?’, and we’re like, ‘Yeaaah!’ As female artists, and especially young ones, you get so many people who think you’re going to sit down and play some folk, and then we bring the big synths in…

“When people talk about emotions they talk about them as if they’re really clear cut, and they’re really not like that,” she says. “From when we talk about how we feel about things, it’s really difficult to tell exactly how you feel. It’s conflicting and confusing, and I guess that’s how it comes across as scary sometimes. And that’s how the album’s ended up pretty dark.”

Its payoff is a closing ukulele rendition of the opening ‘Deep Six Textbook’ – the darling version you’d hear on an advert of an online dating site. “That’s like, ‘we’re teenage girls,’” says Jenny. “‘You thought we’d be doing this throughout the whole album but here it is right at the end, just to make you feel more secure.’”

When the rain really starts to come down in Easton Park we jump in a taxi to an artists’ studio in the centre of town. It’s just gone 3pm and the school Rosa left last year has recently kicked out. A kid she knows called Kyle is walking home, which instigates more laughter as we zip by.

Rosa and Jenny are themselves enrolled in music college, where Let’s Eat Grandma counts towards their final grade. It’s called Access To Music and it’s where they recorded their album while they were still finishing their GCSEs. The facilities are a major perk, while the curriculum is based around how genres develop and a more experimental approach to composition. Rosa says that it’s important for them to be in the company of other teenagers, too, “otherwise you feel really separated.”

When I ask them how their music fits in with the other students’ they say that it doesn’t – there are a lot of traditional band setups.

Once the A&R clamour was over (and LEG really did have their pick of the indies) and Rosa and Jenny had signed with Transgressive, they tried to keep their new deal to themselves. Their classmates found out online, and were unanimously supportive. Still, it must feel strange for Rosa and Jenny – young adults enrol in music college as a step towards life as a jobbing musician, in one form or other; they’d managed it within five months of their first year. So what of college now? Rosa is still hopeful that they’ll be able to complete their second year, but doesn’t appear too confident that their commitment to the band will allow it.



“I think it’s weird,” explains Jenny, “because compared to other people at college our goal has been quite different because we never thought that we wanted to be musicians – we just want to learn more and improve. Even though we’re doing the musician job now, we’re still working towards our goal because there’s always more to learn. Other people are aiming for the job route, but we’re aiming for the learning process.”

College is a good place to start, but Jenny says that she learns just as much online, “reading about different murder cases and stuff. That’s not doing anything for this creepy thing, is it?” she laughs. “Or reading posts about science, micro genres and interior design.”

“We’re really into education, we just hate school,” says Rosa. “The school system, they’ve just got it wrong, basically.”

“I feel like a lot of young people don’t feel fulfilled doing what they’re doing, but they feel so much pressure to do that,” adds Jenny. “It’s so nice to create something so freeing. For example, in the album if you literally just pick up all the places that are mentioned, they’re not real places, and it’s freeing to not feel like you’re in real life anymore.”

She continues: “Some of my friends are such amazing people, and it almost upsets me because I feel like things have made them feel like they’re not good at anything. I really don’t know how to apply that to culture these days, or anything, but I love learning, and the way [the education system] works, it really puts people down. I’ve nothing against learning, which is why we go to college, but it’s about the way you teach, to make sure people feel as though they can do things.”

‘Deep Six Textbook’, although cryptic in its title (“Deep Six” is an old nautical term for throwing something overboard, and has come to mean the disposing of something so that it’s impossible to recover), is these feelings of disenchantment set to beautiful, foreboding music. “We live our lives in the textbook / Letter by letter / I feel like standing on the desk and screaming ‘I don’t care’ / And I was such a quiet child.”

“That track can be applied to different things in society, but we were studying for our GCSEs at the time,” says Rosa. “For us, it was about the education system – the expectations of it and that there’s this certain path you have to follow.”

Forums and reviewers will soon enough be able to pore over Let’s Eat Grandma’s other lyrics for meaning and secret messages, but it’s an impossible puzzle to solve. It’s a thin line between abstract words with poignant backstories and literal, weird imagery that’s been written by a band when they were 14, nonsensical and amusing only themselves. Sometimes a slug is a slug, as is the case on ‘Chocolate Sludge Cake’, which is also literally about cakes and fridges. As Jenny describes it, “It’s the playful music people expect young people to make, because we were even younger when we wrote that, but it’s got this synth base that tricks people.”

Rosa confirms that ‘Sleep’ – a truly creepy netherworld waltz with jabbering, hard-to-decipher words – is purposefully abstract, because it was written subconsciously halfway between being awake and asleep, but the pair stop themselves from talking about any other tracks. They want to experience the glee of seeing so many people get it wrong, and I can hardly blame them.

This is Let’s Eat Grandma’s own world, where nothing has changed since ‘Get That Leg Off The Banister’, or perhaps even earlier, when Rosa and Jenny met in reception class. They refer to LEG as “just another one of our projects”, like the spy movies they used to make and tree houses they used to build and the time they had a spa day in their swimming costumes in the bath. By performing only to one another, without the hang-ups that separate adults from teenagers, they’ve allowed themselves to indulge their frivolities as they explore the darker sounds of experimental pop music. Lot’s of people are now looking in, but it’s all the same to them.

I’m not surprised that the only time they’re stumped all day is when I ask them what they’d like the band to achieve. It’s an alien question, as if being together with music isn’t achievement enough.

“That’s what they asked us at the bank and we don’t know,” Rosa finally says. “If we go to a house party and someone plays ‘Eat Shiitake Mushrooms’, that would be success to me.”

On the roof of the artists’ studio, they dance and sing to Michael Jackson playing on Jenny’s phone.


Let’s Eat Grandma have never needed anyone other than themselves.  By Stuart Stubbs . Loud and Quiet     March 26 ,  2016













Let’s Eat Grandma began writing their debut album I, Gemini (Transgressive) at age 13, but when they released it in June of this year—in the throes of late teenhood—they sounded anything but juvenile. The English duo consists of Jenny Hollingworth and Rosa Walton, who bonded over drawing at age 4 and have been friends ever since. They craft subversive, unflinching experimental pop that includes nearly three-minute long instrumental intros and bouts of rap. Disguised in their child-like vocals is a dark, playful lyricism, with musings about mushrooms and the monotony of everyday life.

It’s difficult to believe Walton when she tells us that their style was “quite slow to develop,” as together they see a gap in mainstream pop and know just how to fill it. From their band name—which has a noteworthy missing comma (guess where it goes)—to their hand-drawn album artwork, their vision is clear: strip away the saccharine.

Currently, Hollingworth and Walton are doubling up their duties: they’re completing their final year of high school while working on their second album, which is expected in 2017. After graduation they’ll perform at three European festivals. Back at the start of fall in New York, Interview met Hollingworth and Walton the day after their first-ever US performance; we spoke about pop music, fairy tales, and growing up.

THE BASICS: Jenny Hollingworth, age 18; Rosa Walton, age 17.

BORN & BASED: Norwich, England.

FIRST IMPRESSIONS: Jenny Hollingworth: I thought Rosa was quite creative and fun.

Rosa Walton: [laughs] Did you actually think that when you were four?

Hollingworth: Yeah! The thing is, she started talking to me about drawing.

Walton: Did I? I must admit, I don’t remember it very clearly.

Hollingworth: I think you don’t really analyze things so much when you’re really little, but I reckon if I actually think back to it, when you’re a kid you want to hang out with people because they’re fun, don’t you? Basically we were both friends because we’d go along with each other’s shenanigans.

BACK TO THE BEGINNING: Hollingworth: I don’t think I ever even considered music as something I could be good at. I got dragged into recorder practice class—Rosa and me did when we were little. I always enjoyed music, but I know loads of other people are like, “Oh, I want to be a pop star!” But I never even considered it.

Walton: A lot of kids, they really like singing and stuff like that, and think, “I want to be a pop star so I can sing,” but I could never sing in tune as a kid at all. I had to properly train myself. [But] it was never really about that, even though our music is quite focused on vocals.

Hollingworth: I think the first thing I got into was singing, but writing before singing; we didn’t really start writing until we were 13, but we did write a couple of things together before then. I like singing, because when you’re a kid and you don’t know music theory it’s the easiest way to write. It’s way easier than using a keyboard, because you just sing it out of your mouth. It’s still so easy when you hear a song, if you’re listening to something without a melody, you can come up with melodies just like that. You don’t have to bother getting anything out.

FAIRY TALES (BROTHERS GRIMM, NOT DISNEY): Hollingworth: We’ve always noticed the façade that’s in a lot of mainstream pop music of this super sweet, happy world that doesn’t really tie up with reality. I guess it has a purpose, it’s divisive, but for us, we’ve always been into things like horror films and dark stories—also dark music to a certain extent. It has a bit more of a story to tell. People can relate more—like, if you’re in a bad mood, and somebody puts on a really happy album, it’s just going to make you really fucking annoyed. [laughs]





I think there’s something about the way that stories are passed through word of mouth that’s very interesting, and also the fact that loads of these stories have been altered to make them more commercial, just like how things can be in the lyrics of pop music. It’s kind of a parallel, not that we don’t love pop music—there are so many aspects of it that are great—[but] sometimes it’s almost like people are trying to push themselves as the cool thing that is dark, when in reality it’s nothing like what most people’s lives are like. Not that fairytales are or that our music is. It’s just a bit superficial sometimes.

KEEPING IT ONE-ON-ONE: Walton: We don’t write sections separately; we write it together, then there might be a certain bit where we go away and it develop it. We didn’t play [our album] to anyone except each other, really. We just kept it between ourselves.

PERFORMANCE ART: Hollingworth: I think we were always interested in the theatrical element of performance.

Walton: Definitely—that’s an important part of it to us.

Hollingworth: You can’t really stare down the audience if no one’s there. [both laugh]

Walton: Then we’d just stare at each other as we play.

Hollingworth: I think they’re hyperbolized versions [of ourselves onstage]—aspects of our personalities.

Walton: Like different parts of us—

Hollingworth: But really extreme.

A NEW POINT OF VIEW: Hollingworth: Because we wrote [the songs on I, Gemini] when we were a lot younger, when we’re talking in interviews especially, sometimes what we were thinking about when we wrote them differs from now. Because obviously as you grow older, especially when you’re a teenager, your perspective on life changes so much.

Walton: In such a short amount of time.

Hollingworth: So it’s quite hard to try and think back to what your mindset was then.

Walton: Because it’s so different.

Hollingworth: So sometimes, there’s a bit of the delay in how we’ve developed musically and also as people.

WRITING FROM EXPERIENCE: Hollingworth: I think that’s quite valuable, because a lot of people can relate to it, but for us… You have to be strong to do that, in a way, because it’s kind of baring your soul.

Walton: I think also we do do that, but our lyrics are quite cryptic, so people often don’t know what it really means. But it is that underneath.

Hollingworth: It’s like diary writing but with a guard up.

Walton: So it’s meaningful to us, but then for other people, they’re like, “Oh, that’s just a load of nonsense about, I don’t know, mushrooms.” [both laugh]

Hollingworth: Also, we get a lot of visual images that relate to our emotions, so for us, sometimes there’s a lot of feeling behind an image or a metaphor or something that we talk about.

Walton: It’s emotional, but…

Hollingworth: But it doesn’t necessarily seem like that. So in a way, it is quite personal.


FIGHTING CONVENTION: Walton: People often stereotype us because we’re young and we’re girls. They think that we should look twin-y and girly and baby-ish, in a way, and that’s not us at all.

Hollingworth: Yeah. We had a kind of dark thing going when we first wrote the album, and they’ve twisted it into this really girly thing that we never had, and we’ve gone away from that naturally, anyway.

Walton: Because we’ve grown up.



The Subversive Duo.  By Haley Weiss. Interview Magazine , December 13, 2016



KEXP.ORG presents Let's Eat Grandma performing live at Kex Hostel in Reykjavik during Iceland Airwaves. Recorded November 5, 2016.




It can thickly coarse through the heaviest of heads leaving you with a sense of pleasure and fulfilment. It’s also often considered an empty format for the masses to feast upon while the muso-types guffaw at its simplistic nature, but when all’s said and done, does anything quite push the boundaries like pop music? Well, after one listen to the new offering from Let’s Eat Grandma, you’ll be hard-pressed to disagree.

Norfolk-teenagers Rosa Walton and Jenny Hollingworth really do not abide by any apparent laws of pop, nor music. What they do is create whatever sounds right to them, utilising the influences appear around them, amalgamating into a sound that feels impenetrable. And now, with their second album I’m All Ears they’ve taken things one step further.

In person, the duo are as you’d expect; extensions of each other, friends that fell into the hands of a beast that could have quite easily chewed them up and spat them out. But under the hand of nurturing indie label Transgressive (Bloc Party, Foals, Songhoy Blues), the pair have enchanted and perplexed, becoming a fast-talking point and subject to the many-a scrutinous eye and ear for their indefinable sound.

”I think it sounds like we’ve written it in a really clever way but honestly, I just love pop music. And that’s why I like writing catchy stuff…nothing else to it really…” Hollingworth tell me, matter-of-factly with a wry smile on her face. The allusion of an apparent grander idea means you feel like you need to unpack Let’s Eat Grandma when the real truth is there’s not much more to it than two minds who are unsullied by anything outside of their two persons.

On their debut, 2016’s I, Gemini, the duo allowed us spectators into said warped world of pulsating, moving and obtuse noises. Never truly revealing what’s what, and leaving us all guessing, perfectly orchestrating their story, intentional or not, they had, and still have, us hooked. If you ever caught them live around this time you’d be witness to a constant flow of instruments changing hands, ideas bouncing and it feels utterly organic - which is quite possibly the best term to describe Let’s Eat Grandma.

They’re an amalgamation of the lives they’ve lived, both together, and apart, never forfeiting any idea of insincerity - which is where chapter two of their story comes into play. Offering new insight into their wicked little world, while simultaneously giving us even more to contemplate. I’m All Ears - where even the title itself feels like a game that’s being played against us listeners - ebbs and flows with the tide. Even similarly in the fashion of day to night, it changes to fit the landscape and breaks away as fast it appears.

From the dark and brooding thunderous sounds of "Hot Pink" to the airy assuredness of "It’s Not Just Me" and "Falling Into Me", the three-headed pop-attack at the beginning of the album signals a change in world. One that, on the surface, appears to be finally letting us further in but it’s all taken away as the album progresses, or as Walton puts it, smiling, “It’s like starting with the pop songs and then going out into space.”

Taking inspiration from all walks of life, films (Donnie Darko) to imagery and dreams; “I’m really into making mood boards” Hollingworth reveals with a shy laugh. “Just for fun…” While Walton touches upon a more psychological influence; “…and I guess, conversations that we have with people, our friends…”

If there’s one thing you should know about the pair, it’s that they’re incredibly switched on. Often people jump to refute the intellect of younger artists on the basis of them simply not having lived enough, but both Walton and Hollingworth can see far beyond the plain of 'normal' life. They take what they need, and have a way of making the rest fall into place for them.

"I feel like everyone we meet finds us really confusing and hard…[like] 'how did they work it out, how did they come up with…what?!’ And to me, it just makes total sense.” Hollingworth says with a bright look of disbelief.

Having to explain themselves comes with the territory of being, dare we say, different. But the fact that I’m All Ears touches upon a more blatant use of pop means the confusion from has turned those looking through the magnifying glass to regroup and ask more questions.

"Doing interviews is something that takes a while to get used to,” Hollingworth offers on the far-from-exotic side of being a blossoming band.", "and even though I love performing, I wouldn’t say I was the most outgoing in the sense that I really like being on a public platform with what I say. It can be pressure, and it can be quite tiring to make sure you're saying the right things over a lot of interviews.”

Walton continues. “Sometimes people read things, and they take it really seriously what you’ve said, but sometimes I just chat bullshit,” She says through a peal of laughter. “And it doesn’t really make sense, and I know that, and it should be taken with a pinch of salt, but when you’re in an interview, you’re quoted, [and] it’s not taken with a pinch of salt!”

“I think I prefer spoken interviews because you can get more into subjects because it follows more of a conversation, but it’s also really hard to control what you’ve said. In a conversation you just naturally come out with bullshit a lot of the time, and then people write it up, and you’re like, ‘I said that?! Like what?'"

"It’s…” Hollingworth starts before withdrawing slightly. “...I don’t mind people getting to know us through our music, rather than necessarily through what we say…" Walton swiftly agrees, giggling. “Because that’s the best way to do it because it’s like exactly what we’ve chosen to put across.”

"People are like, 'are you worried you’re going to be influenced by other people', but I just don’t really care. I just genuinely don’t give a shit!” giggles Hollingworth. “Do you know what I mean?” She looks to Walton again for confirmation: "At the end of the day music matters to me, but people in my life matter more. It’s probably; people I care about, then music, and then wider people’s opinions.”

Since signing and releasing I, Gemini, their world has incorporated a lot more focus on areas that may lay waste to the creativity that flows so smoothly through them, most notably to Hollingworth, social media.

"I hate it! Honestly, I literally hate it," she says suddenly becoming animated. “I hate reading the posts, they stress me out, like, have you picked the right emoji? It doesn’t actually matter! some things you do have to let go of, because at the end of the day they don’t really matter that much.”

It should come as no surprise that even with the help and confidence of their label, the pair can struggle to keep the atmosphere of their world alive when it comes to having the necessary support of others, something Hollingworth earnestly admits: "There can already be so much pressure, even when you just go to a shoot and people try and get you to do certain things, and in a certain way. They try and get you to wear certain clothes. It’s already so much hard work to try and do stuff like that, and get your artistic vision across.”

"I think the one thing is, when you’ve got a lot of work to do, like, you’ve got shows to plan, you’ve got artists to work with, and you’ve got photo shoots and more music to write, I think it can be overwhelming to make sure that you have control over everything…”

Walton interjects “…especially when we’re perfectionists, and we’re trying to do everything to the highest level possible.”



An entirely understandable point given that the more overt and complex the music may seem, the broader vision can be just as fragile andn require tending to as much as the core focus. Luckily for the duo, they still have one place they can return to when they need to step out of the searing pressures of the music industry.

Originating from Norwich, and meeting in nursery at the tender age of four, their world has pretty much always constituted of each other. Still living at home, they duo are able to leave behind the incongruous (to them) fast-paced London and music industry. While Norwich, to most, is a familiar name, both Let’s Eat Grandma, and this writer, have experienced the real feeling of both isolation and opportunity that the city brings.

"I always feel solidarity with people are from Norwich, or anywhere near because I feel like…you talk about it, and loads of people never go…it’s never on the way to anywhere…” Hollingworth says.

There’s an argument to be made that the Let’s Eat Grandma we know and love could’ve been sullied had they been from any city that offered any semblance of connection to the industry they now inhabit.

"There’s kind of space to do your own thing, and create things, and mess about because in London there’s so much competition and such a high energy and drive for everything. You feel like artists don’t get as much space to do shows where everything isn’t perfect, and in Norwich."

Cutting their teeth in a city that feels in a league of its own, where, for its size, you can as easily find yourself in at House rave or a death-metal gig in the same evening, offered up itself an opportunity for development. Hollingworth recalls. “I think we’ve played gigs that weren’t good at the beginning and just like played gigs…”

Walton cuts in laughing. “…So many gigs! We’d have like three people in the audience, and they wouldn’t be listening.”

"It’s funny though because [when] we played there last time we sold out the Arts Centre, which is quite a big venue for us. I love playing in Norwich so much actually!”

The ability for them to fall back into a normal life, with their friends who are still studying and unfamiliar with the idea of press days and tour life can only be a positive for Walton and Hollingworth. Leaving the purity of what they first appeared with intact, they’re building upon the flourishing creativity and awareness into their own untouchable story. Though, being so complex on the outside, and thrust into a world where numerous articles and reviews try and pick it apart, evolving to the next stage can present a new set of problems.

"Our image has evolved quite a lot since we did our first album” Hollingworth states “And I think people are often like trying to continue giving us our ‘witchy’ labels from the first album, but because the music has changed so much, it doesn’t make sense with what we make any more.”

Even looking further toward the future, Walton perks up. “We wouldn’t want people to be calling it whatever they’re calling this record!”

What it should come down to for all onlookers is the fact Walton and Hollingworth are currently making brooding pop that abides by its own rules - and that could all change in the future. Even the interlude tracks, "Missed Call" and "The Cat’s Pyjamas" - which features the resident studio cat called Adam (“He was quite an important part of our time there”) - are made to throw you off.

Songs that are suited to the trials and tribulations of growing up remind you that both Walton and Hollingworth aren’t celestial creatures born out of their love of music and each other, as much as they may seem it - they are still growing.

The maturity that’s saturated across I'm All Ears' wandering landscape tracks are real journeys, where the true essence of the record lies. Not your run of the mill chord-chopping and changing, but actual, bonafide, talent. "Cool and Collected" is a meandering walk around jealousy and the want to be somebody else, culminating in a crescendo of an echoing, starlight summoning guitar solo. With Let’s Eat Grandma, while it may not always be immediately apparent, there’s always a resolution, be it one you want or not.

“I think we wanted to experiment with structuring in a more conventional way because that was something that we didn’t really know how to do before, and we wanted to try…” Walton explains.

“I think it’s funny because even though we’ve used more structure conventionally," adds Hollingworth," on a song like 'Falling Into Me', the chord sequences change about six times throughout the entire song, so if you didn’t think about it, you’d think it’s a pop song, but actually…we wanted it to still be like just a nice little journey for whoever is listening.”

And that’s all a part of their newfound grander scheme: "We want our music to go further. That gives you more opportunities to travel and do new exciting things. Obviously, we want to be able to afford to like have our own place to live…just like anybody! We try not to worry about it; we have good people around us that are trying to make sure we can live!” Or, more succinctly, as Walton says laughing, “A sustainable career!”

More importantly, however, no matter the journey Let’s Eat Grandma go on, no matter the responsibilities that come; the questions, the spotlights, one thing’s for sure according to Walton. “I definitely don’t think it’d have had any negative effect on our friendship because even though we are Let’s Eat Grandma, we also are just Walton and Hollingworth.”

Let's Eat Grandma deconstruct their everchanging pop experimentalism with Steven Loftin. By Steven Loftin.  The Line of Best Fit  , June 26, 2018.





Review of their second album  I'm All Ears. By Meaghan Garvey.   Pitchfork , July 3 2018

In Let’s Eat Grandma’s vision of utopia, some days you might look like an alien; others, you wake up invisible. In a recent interview, the British duo—Jenny Hollingworth and Rosa Walton, both 19 and friends since kindergarten—wrestled with the limits of gender as identity. Life would make more sense, they suggested, if physical appearances warped constantly to represent one’s inner self. Rather than be a body, said Walton, “I wanna be a concept.” If you’ve existed as a teenager, you can probably relate; now imagine releasing an album of self-described “experimental sludge pop” as a pair of 16-year-olds dressed like haunted twin dolls. The response was predictable: adult critics shocked that teenage girls could make music at all, let alone music this trippy.


That resistance to easy interpretation extends all the way to the name itself—which, granted, doesn’t exactly gesture towards virtuosity on first glance. “It’s a punctuation joke,” Hollingworth explained—an Eats, Shoots & Leaves type deal where one misplaced comma turns a dinner invite (“Let’s eat, Grandma!”) into a horror movie. But beyond an inside joke, the shape-shifting name embodies LEG’s creative ethos, slyly expanding on conventional notions of how music made by girls “should” sound. Their second album takes matters a step further. I’m All Ears doesn’t just defy demographic stereotypes—it sounds like nothing else in pop right now.
  
I, Gemini, the duo’s 2016 debut, felt childlike in the sense that it was quite literally written by children; back then, Walton and Hollingworth’s helium-pitch voices gave the impression of cartoon mice, even as they sang about dead cats and radioactive mushrooms. Mileage may have varied depending on one’s tolerance for freak-folk or dadaist poetry, but clearly this wasn’t amateur hour. Guiding LEG’s voracious instrumental experiments (glockenspiels, recorders, motherfucking KAZOOS) was a sense of total control. If anything, I, Gemini’s everything-at-once psychedelia spoke directly to the feeling of being a young teenager—a kaleidoscope of unknowns, as terrifying as it is cool.

Two years later, I’m All Ears delivers on its predecessor’s promise, and though its songs are coated with newfound gloss, they’re just as much of a trip. That much was clear from the first single, “Hot Pink”—a sighing, snarling pop banger, co-produced by SOPHIE alongside the Horrors’ Faris Badwan, that weaponizes the femininity that’s been leveled against the duo. “I’m just an object of disdain to you,” they sing jointly, their voices sickly sweet. “I’m only 17, I don’t know what you mean.” For a SOPHIE production, it’s relatively subdued, until the chorus shatters into sounds of breaking glass and failing machinery as the duo’s delivery bristles. “HOT PINK! Is it mine, is it?” they yelp, flipping the hue of drug-store lipstick and Barbie convertibles into a battle cry. The coexistence of hard and soft isn’t a study in contrasts but in synthesis, merging the two modes until you can’t tell where hard ends and soft begins.

That song’s final chorus is interrupted by a phone call, the first of many moments on I’m All Ears where technology casts an uncanny glow. Pizzicato strings re-imagine a ringtone on the “Missed Call (1)” interlude, and “It’s Not Just Me”—a gently glitched-out synth-pop number, and the album’s second SOPHIE/Badwan production—includes a profoundly Gen Z farewell: “I don’t wanna say goodbye/I guess I’ll see you when the screen is vibrating.” Translating our virtual lives into compelling art is a challenge that often leaves me cold; how do you convey the humanity of a conversation carried out in text bubbles without sounding corny? But I’m All Ears renders flattened communication as poignant, striking not because of the novelty of being made by teenagers but because it speaks with such commanding precision to the experience of a teenager in 2018. In that sense, the album’s pop synthetics aren’t such a drastic departure from LEG’s previous work; they heighten the surreal feeling of paradigm-shifting emotional experiences that transpire on a screen in your hand.

But despite the boldness of the production—uninhibited but never excessive, veering from Goblin-esque prog to pristine dance-pop to sludgy psych, sometimes in the same track—the album’s most mind-bending moments happen in Walton and Hollingworth’s writing. “Falling Into Me,” an ecstatic, street-lit roller-disco epic, opens with some of the most evocative lyrics I’ve heard all year: “I paved the backstreets with the mist of my brain/I crossed the gap between the platform and train.” (Amid all the headiness, three simple words later in the chorus—“You/Me/This”—are just as effective in describing the headrush of new romance.) And over the sullen guitar chords of “Cool & Collected,” LEG articulate the anxiety of feeling like a charmless nerd in front of your crush better than I’ve ever heard: “I still blur in the haze that you cut straight through.”

Rather than get lost in these insecurities, LEG uses them as fuel, embracing uncertainty as a psychedelic experience in its own right. And where “Cool & Collected” wallows, album closer “Donnie Darko” practically levitates. Listless midsummer psych-pop climaxes into strobing, cerebral ’80s disco for the home stretch of the 11-plus minute suite; we are left with Walton and Hollingworth lying on the tile of their bathroom floor, heads spinning, drunk with emotion. I imagine the scene illuminated just like the video for “Hot Pink,” where phone screens and secret rooms beam with an irresistible glow, feminine and sinister and ultimately unresolved—the girls disappear into a bright pink room, and that’s the last we see.

All of this reminds me that before it became known as the official shade of prescribed femininity, hot pink meant provocation. “Shocking pink” was introduced to the fashion world in the 1930s as the signature color of surrealist designer Elsa Schiaparelli, who collaborated with Salvador Dalí and, as a child, buried flower seeds in her nose and ears in an attempt to grow a garden on her face. Her designs were as weird as they were womanly, and shocking pink was no exception: “Bright, impossible, impudent becoming, life-giving,” she once lovingly described it. You could say the same thing of Let’s Eat Grandma, whose bold, tender music at once captures teenage girlhood and transcends it entirely. I can’t imagine what they’ll do next.





Jenny Hollingworth and Rosa Walton first bonded over a turquoise and orange snail. The pair were drawing at a table in their kindergarten class, where Hollingworth was working hard on her technicolor creature. Impressed, Walton peered over and said, “Hi, do you want to be my friend?” Recalling this story, the teenagers of Let’s Eat Grandma share a private look. “Rosa’s always admired my art,” Hollingworth adds, with a pseudo-modest flourish of the wrist. A moment passes before the pair explode into laughter. “From the beginning,” Walton earnestly concurs, “Jenny’s been a creative genius.”


It’s a February afternoon in Norwich, a cozy city in the east of England, and Let’s Eat Grandma are unfurling their origin story in the upstairs enclosure of a local vegan café. Hollingworth, who began the conversation cocooned away in a puffy green jacket, quickly becomes the focal point, holding forth on such topics as celebrity feminism and online clique-forming, as Walton gazes out the window. This rhythm persists until, quizzed on a knotty chapter of band history, the pair will perk up and synchronize, primed to elaborate and clarify in wide-eyed bursts.

These childhood friends have a firm clasp on their sprawling pop band’s narrative, from their early days plotting local shows at age 13 through the release, three years later, of an original and darkly alluring debut album called I, Gemini. By turns solemn and playful, that record stitched together screams, kazoos, and incantatory monologues, as if an unruly teen-girl squad had been stranded, Lord of the Flies-style, in a remote music class, then self-organized and declared sovereignty.

But I, Gemini was written four years ago—an eon in teenage time. They’re now 18 and 19, and their forthcoming second LP, I’m All Ears, is a staggering reinvention. The new record’s most radical departure is the recent single “Hot Pink,” written and recorded with experimental pop producer SOPHIE as well as Faris Badwan of the shadowy indie-pop group the Horrors. But the whole thing is full of hairpin turns, veering from the pop intricacies of Lorde and the xx to sweeping prog, sometimes within the same eight-minute-plus song. It marks an extraordinary progression, especially coming from Norwich’s unassuming music scene.


After finding common ground in kindergarten, the young friends grew up in tandem, often in worlds of their own invention. When they were 10, they composed a jazz-funk song about the travails of epic boredom, using percussion their parents had picked up while travelling the world: maracas, bells, a rain stick. At 13, they set up a rehearsal room in Walton’s loft, where they wrote songs on a new guitar bought for her birthday. “Every time my parents had someone stay, we had to move the drum kit,” Walton says, chuckling. Within a year, they were booking their own gigs around Norwich.

Following Walton’s gaze out the window, you can see the block that houses Access Norwich, a creative center where the duo studied after leaving high school at 16. The school offers music-themed classes in composition, history, and business to people outside the traditional education system. (Alums include Ed Sheeran.) It’s a valuable service in Norwich, which attracts the anachronistic and bookish; until recently, this modestly populated city had the UK’s most frequented library. The region is somewhat remote, tucked in an eastern crevice hours off the motorways—“not somewhere you can end up by accident,” goes a local cliché. Anyone left out of its small, self-contained scenes tends to gravitate toward London, a two-hour train away. But Access Norwich corrals those who haven’t yet escaped, and fosters an informal network through which more artists might grow local roots.




With their leftfield aesthetic and weird accessibility, Let’s Eat Grandma are exemplars of this oddball community, which is not to say they belong here. “We’ve never felt like we fit into any particular subculture,” Hollingworth concedes, with a trace of pride. As a child, she would attend soldering and amateur-radio clubs at her electrical engineer dad’s behest; in school, she made prize-winning animated films using Playmobil models. Her mother is an aspiring novelist and sometime teacher, the kind who derides the education system. Hollingworth, lamenting everything from mainstream music schooling to social media and dating, appears to have inherited some of her mom’s skepticism.

Walton had a similarly particular upbringing. A longtime hobby of her ornithologist father’s is to capture live moths overnight using a bright light and a hidden box, then keep them in the family fridge. “It basically pauses their lives, so it’s not actually cruel,” she explains. “He identifies them and lets them go, and they can get on with their day.” Outside her job as a substitute teacher, Walton’s mom can be found cruising around town blasting Frank Ocean from their silver Fiat 500.

By the time they were 16, Let’s Eat Grandma had won fans throughout England with their witchlike theatrics, playground handclap routines, and a proclivity for lying down onstage. With I, Gemini, they channeled their unhinged curiosity into a musical wonderland; despite its inspired turns, though, a few skeptics found the fabulist oddity hard to love. I’m All Ears, a communion of plainspoken observation and measured honesty, is unlikely to meet similar criticism.

Walton had a similarly particular upbringing. A longtime hobby of her ornithologist father’s is to capture live moths overnight using a bright light and a hidden box, then keep them in the family fridge. “It basically pauses their lives, so it’s not actually cruel,” she explains. “He identifies them and lets them go, and they can get on with their day.” Outside her job as a substitute teacher, Walton’s mom can be found cruising around town blasting Frank Ocean from their silver Fiat 500.


By the time they were 16, Let’s Eat Grandma had won fans throughout England with their witchlike theatrics, playground handclap routines, and a proclivity for lying down onstage. With I, Gemini, they channeled their unhinged curiosity into a musical wonderland; despite its inspired turns, though, a few skeptics found the fabulist oddity hard to love. I’m All Ears, a communion of plainspoken observation and measured honesty, is unlikely to meet similar criticism.

“Often we talk about a topic that we have different perspectives on, and then the song ends up being both at once,” Hollingworth explains of their process, singling out new track “It’s Not Just Me.” There, the pair alternate verses about a nebulous relationship, address the romantic interest in a pleading bridge, then chorus over chopped vocals and euphoric synth. Its central mantra—“It’s not just me/I know you’re feeling the same way”—seems at once to celebrate a mutual romance and the relief of confiding in loved ones. It’s an effervescent highlight on an album perfectly attuned to the conflicting signals and makeshift bonds that make up young adulthood.




Pitchfork: The new record is a giant departure from the last one. How do you feel about your first album now?

Rosa Walton: I went back to it the other day after not having listened to it for 100 years, and it definitely feels nostalgic of that time. It’s interesting hearing our voices and how high they are, how we literally sound like mice.

Jenny Hollingworth: The thing that makes me laugh is when people write an article about us, and they’ll be like, “Are you putting on your voices?” I’m like, “I wish, mate.” I find it amusing when people were thinking it’s engineered, because they don’t understand young people making music.



So when people say the album was childlike, does that feel on some level true?

RW: It frustrates us when people say we’re childlike now, because that’s not a reflection of us. But of course it was childlike, because it was written by two kids. Young teenagers don’t often get the chance to release music, so people don’t realize how it sounds.

JH: People can be a bit patronizing...

RW: … towards young people in general.

Do you expect anything to change this time around?

RW: When we started out, people didn’t take us seriously at all.

JH: Which we can understand, because some of the shows were really bad. But when you’re a young female artist and you do something that’s a bit shit, people are so quick to be assholes about it. You’re either gonna be shot down or, when you do really well, people are gonna obsess over the fact that you’re young and female. I feel like people just don’t understand young girls at all. Like, “Wow! An album written by a young girl!” I’m like: [makes thinking emoji face]. I feel bad even being annoyed about it, because there’s so many great opportunities we’ve had. But it was
a bit annoying.

In visual terms, you’ve come back with more defined personal images this time out.

RW: We want to express our individual selves a bit more, instead of being tied together. As we’ve grown up, we’ve grown apart—not in closeness, but in that we’ve developed different interests.

JH: When you’re more confident in yourself, you can be yourself more, rather than attaching to someone else.

What are some individual interests you’ve developed?

JH: I’m quite interested in aspects of internet culture. Which is funny, because I actually have hardly any social media. I’m quite anonymous. I spend a lot of time looking at how different groups of people interact online.

RW: I’m learning a lot about music production and synthesis. I recently read 1984 for the first time.

JH: I’m also quite into horror manga. I’m reading one about being obsessed with collecting spirals.

You worked with SOPHIE on two tracks on this album. What is it about her music that appealed to you?

JH: We’ve always been into SOPHIE’s music, even before our last record came out. She was so mysterious. You wouldn’t expect that something so poppy could have such an emotional effect on you. We went to see her recently, and even though she’s well-known, it felt like everyone was in on a secret.

In “Hot Pink,” you start by calling out a belittling antagonist—what, or who, did you have in mind writing that?

RW: It isn’t really about a specific person. It’s about a certain feeling that we, and a lot of people, feel.

JH: Part of it is about how I generally have a bit of a beef with dating, because I feel like I can’t get the mutual respect that I want. So I just don’t bother.

The song’s chorus pivots completely. There’s some surrealist imagery and this phrase: “hot pink.”

RW: It’s about how people should be able to be feminine, and all the various stereotypes that comes with gender.


JH: I’m not really a fan of feminism where it’s just an actress making £10 million. It’s not meant to be a story of us complaining.

RW: It’s not meant to be just empowering for girls; it’s meant to be empowering for everyone.

Looking ahead, are you planning to go to college?

JH: Oh... yeah, um...

RW: I don’t have any plans to go in the near future.

JH: It’s weird. A lot of our friends are at university, and it feels like what people our age should be doing.

RW: But there’s a lot of other ways to learn things than just going to university. Just because it’s the path that a lot of people take, it doesn’t mean it’s the one you have to follow.



Let’s Eat Grandma Are the Wonderfully Weird Pop Duo We Need Right Now.  by Jazz Monroe. Pitchfork. March 22 2018



KEXP.ORG presents Let's Eat Grandma performing live in the KEXP studio. Recorded August 29, 2018.











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