The year
Azealia Banks finally decided to give up on living in Los Angeles, the
wildfires were so apocalyptic that the whole sky turned blood orange. “I
remember opening my door one morning to get an Amazon package,” she tells me
one night in late January, “and there was, like, soot, falling on my tongue.”
Her Californian friends were puzzled by her distress. This happens all the
time, they promised, optimism superseding fact. Never mind that she couldn’t
breathe, or go to the weed store without getting a funny look. “I was just
like, ‘I need to move to the wettest part of the fucking country,’” she says. A
drought is no place for a self-styled mermaid. So, Florida. Where everyone owns
guns, and so everyone minds their business.
It seems
strange and strangely fitting that Banks, who is as New York as they come,
should feel at home in the heart of the American unconscious, what Joan Didion
called the nation’s “psychic centre”. Shit gets weird in the most mystical
American state. It’s like all the loucheness and weirdness of US culture drips
down and gathers at its southernmost tip. Some credit the absurdism to the
yearlong humid summers, others the wild diversity of 21 million people stuffed
together on an electoral battleground, and still others the golden promise of
laissez-faire living. Dysfunction is the governing logic, or illogic. Carl
Hiaasen, our foremost chronicler of Florida’s “amiable depravity”, once
referred to it as a “magnet for outlaws and scoundrels”.
And how
else to describe Banks without first acknowledging her roguishness, her
lawlessness, her aversion to convention? The rules have never seemed to apply,
or even occur, to her. She works against trend, smuggling into hip hop her
glitchy, rave-friendly sounds with such virtuosic ease that you forget to
question how bizarre the songs really are. “I do have some house songs, but a
lot of my category is technically electronic music, and people really do gloss
over how great of a traditional rapper I am,” she says. “I’ve done everything.
I’m singing opera on ‘JFK’. I’m doing dembow on ‘Salchichón’. I’m doing bossa
nova with that cover of ‘Chega de Saudade’. I put out a fucking Christmas
record. I just like music.”
Banks’s
discography is playful and energetic and deeply original. It has the gilded
sheen of invincibility. It’s brash, raunchy, intoxicatingly confident. She’s a
technical wordsmith who foregrounds cleverness, and arranges her verses with a
preternatural ear for nursery-rhyme assonance that doubles down on its often
nonsensical, juvenile humour. On her latest single, “New Bottega” – which, last
autumn, had everyone and their gay mother yelling “New Bottega, Prada-da” –
Banks affects an Italian accent over a thumping electroclash beat, lovingly
reciting a list of high fashion labels before delivering a characteristically
Banksian bar:
“I put the boy in Galliano, now he’s a
fuckin’ model / I’mma make him famous, rename him, I’m icin’ out his chain and
/ Still grippin’ the stainless, stay dangerous, ’cause most of these n***as is
brainless…”
She’s
always at home on any house beat, but Banks is also impressively chameleonic.
She can glide from acid house and post-disco to surf rock and bachata, all
within the space of a single track. “I make up my own genres a lot of the
time,” she tells me with casual indifference. Say what you will about her: The
only person who sounds like Azealia Banks is Azealia Banks.
But the
ferocity that charges this command over language is, not at all coincidentally,
the same ferocity that gets her in trouble. When the New York Times profiled
Banks in 2012, the first line in the piece made reference to her “filthy
mouth”. “I grew up in America,” she says matter-of-factly, “I grew up watching
South Park and All in the Family. Like, I grew up reading US history
textbooks.” When people talk about her, they tend to lapse into the
conditional: “She’s so talented,” they begin, “but…” Press headlines have for
years been marked by loose adaptations of “Azealia Banks is making enemies
again”, be it record-label executives or bloggers or discarded managers or
other musicians, and the hip-hop blogs have made it their collective mission to
anatomise every single beef the rapper has ever lived through, cashing in
clicks on her passionate sparring and then harkening back to it whenever she
releases new music. One downside of modern celebrity is that you can never
outrun past versions of yourself.
There
was a point in time when Azealia Banks was the promising ‘young new face’ on
the block with her pick of the litter on record deals, a wide-eyed LaGuardia
dropout getting flown out to perform at Karl Lagerfeld’s birthday party in
Paris, a 21-year-old force of nature with awestruck cosigns from hip-hop legends
like Nas (“She has incredible star power… the total package”) and a
then-still-golden Kanye West (who, early on, was keen to sign her). There was
no shortage of industry professionals who would have publicly proclaimed Banks
as the future of music. She seemed inevitable.
Banks
belongs to a lineage of artist-critics who, despite the consequences, have no
qualms in voicing their displeasures with the grand betrayals of the rotting,
patriarchal, white supremacist culture they’ve found themselves born into. And
because she doesn’t mince words, the focus sometimes lands on her language as
opposed to her argument. “It’s just like, the audacity of these white
millennials who are maybe one or two generations removed from a grandparent who
would have had me hung from a tree for drinking out of the wrong water
fountain,” she says. “The nerve of you to call me a bigot because I am making
use of the language that I have been made to assimilate into.” The art has
never suffered. But Banks is caught in a double bind where the qualities that
fund and make possible her music are simultaneously the ones that thwart and
complicate her career.
She’s
also a Black woman with bipolar disorder working in an industry that fails, at
every turn, to offer her any support. “There was a point in time when people
didn’t want to book me,” she says. “I had n***as stealing my royalties and all
type of shit. Like, there was a point in time when I was so fucking broke that
I was sleeping in a storage space. You know, famous and broke.” It’s true that
she has said some deeply regrettable things – her occasional transphobic
remarks have been particularly jarring – many of which she has apologised for.
Neither she, nor her fans, are unaware of these missteps. It’s equally true
that tabloids have often elided her queerness when describing instances in
which she has been ‘homophobic’. And there’s a failure to acknowledge the ways
in which the ballroom scene, where shade is the lingua franca, has inflected
both her sound and how she wields language to read other queer people. Some of
the frustrations that Banks’s fans have with her are profoundly warranted. But
it could be argued that her greatest trespass is refusing respectability,
demanding to make music and exist on her own terms, and broadcasting her
unfiltered inner monologue as if the world were a small room with a locked door
and some close friends inclined to read her in good faith.
“I can
be a little messy,” says Banks. “Everybody makes a bad joke sometimes. Like,
who cares? Quentin Tarantino gets paid $500m to make really bad jokes all the
time, you know? Come on. Let me get my shit off.”
Azealia
Banks was born in Harlem in 1991, to two older sisters and a mother who worked
long hours at a retail store on 57th Street. Her father died of pancreatic
cancer when she was two, and in the only mental image she has left of him, he
is lying in a casket. “That’s why I sound like a Dominican,” she says. “Because
I was raised by Dominican caretakers. My mom would throw them a couple thousand
dollars and just disappear for five weeks.” (On songs like “Gimme a Chance” and
“Salchichón”, Banks sporadically slips into perfect Spanish with the unexpected
confidence of Ben Affleck.) Her mother never told her where she was going,
never gave an explanation. “I would just be in my head, like, ‘Does my mother
not want me any more? Is she coming back? Is she alive?’”
She also
developed her musicality in part because of her mother, who, when she was
around, would do chores around the house naked while listening to Rachelle
Ferrell, Chaka Khan, Donna Summer and Whitney Houston. Banks was ten when her
mother was diagnosed with schizophrenia, but their relationship was volcanic
long before that. She had to grow up quickly in a home where she was forced to
develop a kind of emotional armour. “She would brag about how she did witchcraft
and killed my father,” says Banks. On mornings when she had to ride the bus to
school after physical altercations, she would listen to Destiny’s Child’s
“Happy Face”, and do her best to stop crying so the social workers wouldn’t put
her in foster care. By 14, when she began studying acting at LaGuardia, she had
moved out of her mother’s home and in with one of her sisters.
“I was
always being told that I was a bad person, and I guess I kind of just accepted
it as the truth,” she says. “And I think a lot of that early indoctrination,
especially during my fundamental years, followed me into the music industry –
where you would see me lashing out at people and just, like, being bad. Because
that’s who I was told I was. When I came into fame and I had all these people
showering me with love and admiration, [telling me] I was good and they liked
the things I was creating, it was really uncomfortable for me. I didn’t know
how to accept any of that. Nobody ever told me that I was pretty when I was
little.”
Banks
didn’t grow up dreaming of being a rapper. It happened naturally. She did grow
up with dreams of being famous, but she always assumed it would be for acting,
and was genuinely disappointed when she turned 14 and still hadn’t landed a
show on Nickelodeon. “I just started rapping because I had some boyfriend who
rapped, and all his friends rapped, too,” she says. “And I thought it was so
cool.” Writing rhymes became an outlet into which she could funnel her
disaffection with the acting career that wasn’t materialising. “I would always
come and try to butt into the cipher, and it would be some wack-ass shit. They
would just snatch the blunt out of my hand and skip me. And I would just say to
myself, ‘One day, I’m gonna come back and I’m gonna get all y’all n***as.
Watch.’”
Eventually,
that day did arrive. She spent two months writing to a Ladytron beat and, when
it was finally ready, she came back to the cipher to spit the verse a cappella:
“I’m not the don diva / I’m beyond you
don skeezers / I get cake from quick chicks with long heaters / One-seven hot
stepping like Tekken / I’mma be a main bitch in the game like Nina.”
The
verse oozed with the confidence, defiance and provocation that makes Banks such
a joy to listen to, and when she rapped it, nobody snatched the blunt from her.
“The fake ID don’t got a mistake / Miss
Banks keeps these n***as caught up in a teen angst / They’ve been trying to
look, trying to fuck / Since I first came through with the triple-A cup / Now I
got hip slip tips in the butt / Now I’m on radar like warm weather fronts.”
The room
burst into cheers; it was clear she was a natural. This was her first time
actually writing a verse, and already she was miles ahead of her boyfriend and
his crew. Her friend Johnny Five convinced her to record the song, and she put
it on Myspace under the name Miss Bank$. And she kept on writing, kept on
recording her demos. Every day after school at 4pm, she would go home, get on
Myspace and send the songs to everyone she could. Eventually they reached
Diplo, who became an instant fan, and she signed a development deal with XL
Recordings, where artists like M.I.A., Thom Yorke and Adele had made their
homes. It seemed she was on her way, until it didn’t.
The
whole lofty, seductive promise of a development deal is that the artist will
receive guidance from music executives who are, supposedly, invested in
harnessing and cultivating their raw creative spirit. They’re meant to shepherd
a musician from being unrefined to a kind of ultimate self-actualisation, which
is to say the goal is to fashion them into something genuinely bankable. But
any juncture where art and business meet inevitably reveals the faultlines of
those competing interests. The music business is a capitalist enterprise, after
all, in which the artist obtains the status of product. And it’s often Black
women in particular who end up struggling against the definitions of
profitability – sex appeal, pop appeal – that are handed down to them by an
industry shaped by a white male critical gaze.
To hear
Banks tell the story is to get the sense that XL didn’t really know what to do
with her. She didn’t like the beats that Richard Russell, the label’s owner,
was sending her, in part because they were often pulled from the reject piles
of other, more established musicians. The label didn’t like the songs that she
was sending them, in part because they didn’t conform to the sound the
executives had envisioned for her. “It was surprising to me, because it was
like, ‘I let you guys convince me to drop out of high school to write raps
about sex, but nobody is developing me,’” she says. “I remember them signing
Odd Future around the same time and being very, very jealous. Because they were
being mentored and I was left by the wayside.” She felt like she was on the
outside looking in. She couldn’t understand why nobody thought to put her in
the same room as Tyler, the Creator, because they shared a kind of anarchic
spirit, and she was a fan of him and Earl Sweatshirt in particular. “I just
wanted to feel like I was part of the XL fam.”
Odd
Future courted moral panic and, in its place, found love. Listening to their
music was as macabre and as fascinating as witnessing a car crash. The world
they conjured was bruised, violent and nihilistic, pushing vulgarity to the
very limits of what it could contain; women, when invoked, were typically in
the process of being abducted, raped, killed and/or dismembered. The group
liked to refer to themselves as “Black nazis”, and made frequent use of
childishly scrawled swastikas. In high school I owned one of their t-shirts,
black with a giant inverted white cross emblazoned on the back. Labels started
bidding wars to sign them; even Steve Rifkind, who launched the Wu-Tang Clan,
Mobb Deep and Three 6 Mafia, participated in the madness. In 2011, XL beat out
Interscope to land Tyler’s debut studio album, Goblin, and I distinctly recall
reading a review in NME that counted 213 instances of the word ‘faggot’ and its
variants across the 73-minute runtime. (It didn’t, but the figure stuck.) Odd
Future was hypermasculine, brutal, antisocial, stomach-turning – and beloved.
Banks,
conversely, was too much to handle, though she was just as brazen and
destabilised. “It was some misogynoir shit,” she says of her treatment by the
label. Her online outbursts and refusal to sublimate herself didn’t earn her
the title of “self-possessed” or “boss” or “genius” that might equip a man
exhibiting similar behaviour. “I was still finding my voice as a songwriter,”
she says. Your art, never mind your image, is a lot to trust someone with –
particularly when you’re still a teenager. “I’m someone who, if you want
something from me that I don’t want to do, you have to pay. And not, like,
20Gs. I’m not about to switch my whole personality up and have you put this
image of me out there for $20,000.” She pauses, laughing in disbelief. “Like,
come on. I’m from Harlem. Are you kidding?”
Maybe
Banks really was being bratty, or amateurish, or demanding. Maybe the label was
just trying to mould her into their version of a profitable star and make them
all rich. Everyone was, as always, just trying to get what they wanted. But it
all soured in the end. XL didn’t reply to her email when she sent them the
Machinedrum-produced “L8R”, a filthy hip-hop cut that ends with an ode to
“ratchet bitches” and eventually turned up on her critically acclaimed EP,
Fantasea. The tension with Richard Russell reached such a fever pitch that,
when she sent him “212” – the song that everyone remembers exactly where they
first heard, the song she wrote from a place of desperation and anger, the song
that Rolling Stone named one of the best of the last century, the song that any
music executive worth their salt would go to war to get their hands on, he —
and I am incredulous when she says this – dropped her from the label.
It is
not beyond the realm of possibility that the way Azealia Banks wants or needs
to make her art is fundamentally incompatible with the structure and demands of
the recording industry. She is uncompromising. Since the atomisation of her
development deal with XL, she has fallen out with a handful of other record
labels. In 2012, she signed with Interscope and Polydor Records, and began
working on her first, and only, studio album, Broke With Expensive Taste. The
label spent $2m on the record. But when she turned it in, they complained there
was no hit single – nothing that would climb the Billboard 100.
Listening
to the project, it’s not difficult to understand their confusion. BWET is a
brilliant, psychedelic trip that treats genre like an all-you-can-eat buffet.
It’s a shiny, intricate mess of hip-house, R&B, UK garage, dubstep, trap,
dance-pop, bachata, jazz, drum & bass etc. The label wanted something with
mainstream appeal, but Banks had instead set out to make an album that was
anti-pop. The project, like the artist, resisted easy categorisation. Somehow,
she managed to get out of the deal with all of her songs, and released the
album with Prospect Park, once more to critical acclaim.
Versions
of this story surface again and again throughout the artist’s career. When this
profile was initially assigned to me in early January, part of the premise was
that Banks had recently joined Parlophone Records, the same UK-based label that
signed Ella Fitzgerald, The Beatles and Radiohead. Nearly ten years had passed
since she’d released BWET, and another six since her second mixtape, Slay-Z.
The new deal brought with it the promise of new music, flickering on the
horizon like a mirage coalescing into something real.
But a
couple of nights before our interview, Banks announced, via Instagram, that she
had severed ties with the label after just a few months of being there. They
clashed on ideas about the marketing for “New Bottega”, and even though Banks
had only signed the deal to find a home for Fantasea II, the A&R team at the
label remained noncommittal. “It was that whole thing again I’d heard so many
times before. They always come with the whole, you know, ‘Just play the game,
play this, play that,’” she says. “But it’s like, what game am I fucking
playing? The game of making white people richer than I will ever get off my own
shit, just to get it out there? It’s like, no. Starve these n***as out.”
The
general consensus online, after the news of the split, was that Banks had
burned more bridges for no reason. But her comments instantly bring to mind a
conversation that the Long Beach rapper Vince Staples had last spring with a
reporter at Complex, who made a casual reference to “the music game”. “But
what’s the game?” asked Staples, with a knowing smile. A game implies winners
and losers. And in the business of music, there’s an impression among label
executives that they’re giving artists an opportunity, and so there should be
no complaints about anything as base as project ownership. “They don’t call any
other genre ‘the game’,” said Staples. “They call the rap game the ‘rap game’
because there’s a bunch of n***as running around, and they don’t want to give
Black people shit.”
Black
musicians have for decades probed the mysteries of other worlds in their art.
In his poem, “Astronauts”, Robert Hayden once described the moon as an
“Absolute Otherwhere”, and it’s no coincidence that space is the place where so
many of our great Black escapists tend to go. To be Black is already to occupy
an alternate reality: you are forced to accept as fact that which is not, by
any accounts, real, but which still shapes your life in undeniably real ways.
“The impossible attracts me,” Sun Ra once said, “because everything possible
has been done and the world didn’t change.” Is it any wonder that Parliament,
OutKast and Missy Elliott opted out of the merely ‘real’ or possible? Instead
they built their own worlds, supplanted the limits of history with the
possibilities of biomythography. Which is the difference, says Banks, between a
true artist and an entertainer: the former creates a universe for you to live
in, while the latter just puts on a good show.
I was 14
and feverishly scrolling tumblr when I first saw the cartoon brown-skinned
mermaid with the long aquamarine hair on the cover of her 2012 mixtape,
Fantasea. The character resonated with the nautical Afrofuturist aesthetics of
Detroit techno duo Drexciya, but Banks says she hadn’t heard of them when she
adopted the seapunk look. “I was blown away when I found them. Because here you
had these two guys creating a myth around slaves who were thrown off slave
ships and then grew gills and evolved so their bodies could survive in those
conditions. And I was like, nah, we’re tapped in. All music geniuses are tapped
into some primordial database of knowledge that exists in the subconscious or
the pineal gland,” she says, her laughter dissolving into earnestness. “It gave
me this sense of validation, knowing there were other people who felt like
that.”
I ask
her what she means by this. There is a certain type of artist who, confronted
with a life that renders their basic survival tenuous, invents a character who
can endure and even transcend the precarity of their circumstances. Did the
myth of the mermaid spring from a desire to project an evolved version of
herself into the world? One who could not only survive, but also thrive, amid
the dangers of the deep sea? “A lot of people don’t know that, when I say I’m a
mermaid, it’s not just some cosplay thing,” she says. Banks is initiated in
Palo Mayombe, an African diasporic religion that was brought to the Caribbean
during the transatlantic slave trade, and identifies with the Yoruban deity
Yemaya, a protector of women who is often depicted as a mermaid. Like any other
non-Abrahamic religion, Palo tends to be derided and misunderstood in the
western world. So when Banks went on Instagram Live in late 2016 to show a room
with evidence of “three years’ worth of Brujería” – dried chicken blood –
caking the walls, it was almost a self-fulling prophecy that she was
immediately written off as insane. “That’s why it’s like, fuck you, I don’t
want to hear anything about animal sacrifice. Because this is where I’ve found
identity. This is where I’ve found comfort. This is who has been watching over
me my entire life.”
Reporters
are invariably plagued by the fear that their subject will not share enough of
themselves – that, when the recorder is on and the questions begin, the star
will become shy and reticent, retreating into the comfort of their privacy, and
the reporter will emerge from the interview having learned nothing at all new.
Banks is neither shy nor reticent. She can’t help but bare it all. She’s always
bringing her whole entire self, as Carrie Mae Weems once put it, to the kitchen
table. She can be commanding and authoritative in one moment and sensitive,
almost fragile, in the next. She speaks in the longform and never offers a
one-word answer. It’s a way of being I’ve encountered most often among people who
desperately want to be understood, and it surprises me that so few people seem
to understand her. What does it mean to be given the gift of language and then
told that you’re misusing it? To have so much to say and find the people around
you can’t stomach it?
Lately,
Banks has been feeling good. She seems grounded, happy. She has recorded around
50 songs for Fantasea II, and another 25 for Business & Pleasure, the
follow-up to BWET, which she says she doesn’t really know how to describe.
“It’s rap,” she says, noncommittally. There’s some Spanish drill, and some
R&B songs where she feels like she’s really showcasing her singing. “My
voice has definitely matured a lot, and I feel really sexy when I sing now.
When you’re younger, especially when you come from theatre like I do, you’re
kind of listening to yourself as you sing, to make sure that you sound pretty.
But I don’t care about sounding pretty. Because I’ve realised that I’m fucking
gorgeous.”
Banks
isn’t nearly as online as she once was, and doesn’t really pay attention to
what people say about her there. Instead, she pours a significant amount of
energy into CheapyXO, the store she founded in 2017 that sells products like
hydrosol mists, acupressure tools, herbal teas and soaps to help alleviate
haemorrhoids from anal sex. (There was a time when gay men were tweeting her
before and after photos of their literal assholes, as though she was the fairy
godmother of their colons.)
These
days, her idea of success has more to do with maintaining a routine. She has
just moved into a new home, and is trying to get rid of some of the clothes she
has accumulated over the past couple of years. “Some of these designers get mad
and be like, ‘I’m never sending Azealia clothes again, because she’s just gonna
sell them to her fans,’” she says. She’s far more secure now than she was in
late 2017, when she was famous and broke and living in a WeWork office lined by
the clothes she was selling on Depop. Now, she’s focusing on the small things:
decluttering is one route to peace of mind. Over the past year, she’s had a lot
of revelations. “I’ve realised that my existence is not a consequence – I am
not somehow cursed because I am of African descent,” she says. “My existence is
part of the natural phenomena of the planet Earth, of the flora and the fauna.”
She has been trying to break her “karmic cycle”, and reminds herself often that
she is, in fact, a good person.
At some
point near the end of our interview, I recall that Banks was on the cover of
Dazed ten years ago. It’s a photograph of her looking prototypically defiant,
with her trademark aquamarine hair cascading around the sides of her face and
her fingers lifted to her lips, inflating a red condom. The issue was banned in
seven countries. I begin to formulate a sentence about her return to the
magazine, but she misinterprets my phrasing as an observation about a general
comeback. “But I never left,” she insists. “I’ve always been here.” Earlier in
our conversation, she said something similar, when she was in the midst of
expressing her frustrations with the way that her fans have spoken of her recently,
and I swore I could hear her rolling her eyes. “People are always like, oh,
it’s the Azealia Banks redemption arc. But who the fuck am I redeeming myself
for? You should be trying to redeem yourselves for me.”
The A-Z
of Azealia Banks. By Connor Garrel. Dazed, March 13, 2023.
Azealia Banks made a
Hanukkah song. It’s called Queen of Sheba, features a klezmer beat, and is, she
says, “hot as fuck”. Not that it’ll see the light of day yet. Kanye West (AKA
Ye) “fucked it up” by spreading antisemitic conspiracy theories, she says.
We’re speaking in
mid-December, ahead of a new single that marks Banks’s return to a major label.
By extension, it’s also a return to commentary – an art form the New York
City-raised rapper has mastered as much as her diamond-hard and jaw-droppingly
dexterous music – if a conflicted one. “I feel like Kanye has made it so
garbage to be an entertainer with any opinion,” she says, before teasing her
detractors: “If anybody was ever praying for Azealia Banks to finally shut the
fuck up, Kanye has provided the platform.”
But over the course of
two hours on Zoom this, naturally, turns out to be far from the truth. Banks
speaks, with a charming and destabilising mix of irony and earnestness, about
everything from her new home in Florida, to her one-time friend and
collaborator Ye, to her place in the music industry – and why she has decided
to return to a major label after splitting from Universal in 2014 and
independently releasing some of her best singles ever.
Those songs – among them
2018’s glamorous self-confidence anthem Anna Wintour, the simmering 2021
Galcher Lustwerk collaboration Fuck Him All Night – supercharged a gen Z-led
reappraisal of Banks as an innovator and prophetic commentator who had been
unfairly pilloried. They set the stage for comeback single New Bottega, a
booming, stylish house track and the launch of Banks’s second round in the
spotlight. She’s bullish about its prospects: “I genuinely feel like, 13 years
in, New Bottega might be my Hot 100 debut,” she says, sounding sanguine. Then
she adds: “Even if that bitch debuts at 99, I’mma be like ‘A-ha-ha-ha-ha,
bitch!’”
In 2012, after the
runaway success of her bratty and still-brilliant breakout single, 212, Banks
signed to Interscope. After two years of label execs saying that her debut
album in-the-making lacked hits, Banks grew “tired of talking to these white
guys” and begged them to release her, and her record, from the contract. In
2014, she partnered with the label Prospect Park and released Broke With
Expensive Taste to widespread critical acclaim. But the optics of leaving a
major as a rising star are less than great; combined with Banks’s propensity
for public fights, it seemed as if she was yet another internet success story
who had burned through her talent early. Now, Banks is signed to Parlophone,
because despite her recent DIY success, a major gets her closer to one specific
goal: “I deserve respect,” she says, staring intensely down the camera. When
not rinsing her peers or joking about haters, she is steadfast and dead
serious.
Wearing a magenta
T-shirt from her skincare company, CheapyXO, and a matching visor, clutching a
glass of rosé, Banks explains that her reputation has outpaced her to a degree
that has made life difficult. In 2019, she made headlines after being removed
from a flight – an incident that Banks and other passengers said was instigated
by an attendant asking if she was “going to be trouble”. In 2020, her former
manager and Prospect Park head Jeff Kwatinetz sued her for extortion; Banks
countersued for breach of contract, fraud and deceit, claiming Kwatinetz
groomed her.
She is troubled by the
idea that she is an easy target. “Even though I know that the internet is not a
real place, there are enough people who take it seriously enough to feel like
they can put their hands on me in real life,” she says, wearily. “They feel
like they can launch frivolous lawsuits and use this villainous, stupid
narrative against me. Even just trying to rent a house and have some peace, you
run into these people who are like: ‘Oh, I can throw a rock at her, and if she
throws a rock back, I can say look, she’s exactly as you say on the internet.’”
So Banks has stopped
looking at what people say about her on the internet. The pandemic gave her a
new clarity. She is speaking from a hotel room in Sydney in the midst of a
contentious tour in which she and the promoter are engaged in a vicious public
blame game over cancelled shows (the one topic her publicist deems off-limits)
and turns her life lessons into clean aphorisms: “The same way you need to be
careful about the things you eat, you have to be careful about the things that
you read.” Now she wonders why she accepted criticism from “people who never
knew me, never had any desire to ask me why I was always so sad, so angry. They
would just write me off as a bad person.”
She says that she’s come
to understand that the “selective” rules around acceptable conduct in the white
media and on social media platforms will never serve her. She cites the “double
standards” of Twitter, where she gets criticised for arguing with the likes of
Perez Hilton but misogyny, racism and ableism run rampant. (“If I had a dollar
for every Lady Gaga fan or Lana Del Rey fan that has called me a ‘nigger’ on
Twitter, I might be a billionaire right now.”) In 2014, around when Black Lives
Matter protests began in the US, Banks saw those double standards come into
sharp relief. “All these very fucking graphic, psychologically terrorising
videos of Black people being murdered circulated, pushed under the guise of
being news,” she says.
Banks realised that “we
don’t have any rights here in America, unless you put your fucking phone down”,
so she put her phone down. Besides, she found people online tiresome. “When it
gets into like, ‘sexuality is politics’, oh my fucking god,” she says. “People
on Twitter are talking about sex all damn day, and no one is fucking.”
Living alone in Los
Angeles in 2020, Banks says she was “going through it” – “isolating and
scared”, rapping every day, focusing on CheapyXO and becoming disenchanted with
the politics of a city she characterises as shallow and virtue-signalling.
“Every which way I turn [in LA] there’s a Black Lives Matter sign, and then
we’re watching swathes of Latino people die every day because they’re
considered essential workers,” she says. “There are no Latino Lives Matter
signs. That’s not to negate any of the very real issues that Black people in
America face, but in a rich state like California, in a neighbourhood like
Silver Lake – here’s Jenny with her fuckin’ like” – she adopts a Valley girl
accent – “biodynamic wine bar and her vegan cafe. She’s got a Black Lives
Matter sign in the window, but sis, did you pay attention to papi who delivered
the milk? Did he get a free cup of coffee? I had to go because I can’t do this
– either Covid was gonna kill me, or depression. I’m going to fucking Miami.”
Why Miami? In Florida,
people “mind their fuckin’ business”, she says. Banks feels that the media lies
about the oft-mocked Republican haven, and says she feels “way safer” there
than in Los Angeles, where she feels that she needs a gun. Part of that, she
claims, is down to the governor, Ron DeSantis, the Republican primary
frontrunner whom she sees as more pragmatic than most political leaders. “He’s
focused on the basic shit,” she says. “There are elderly people in our country without
walkers, who don’t have the money to get a septic tooth pulled. If we’re
talking about divvying up healthcare funds, those situations should take
precedence to facial feminisation surgeries and stuff like that. I mean, I get
it – but that’s a cosmetic surgery. Like, does your penis work? Can you pee?
You’re not as in trouble as the older woman who can’t afford her dialysis. I
think DeSantis is practical about a lot of things.”
Banks likes DeSantis for
what she sees as some level of common decency, a quality she doesn’t see in a
lot of people – least of all Ye, whom she collaborated with in 2012 on a
handful of never-released songs. Banks brings him up, describing him as a
“grifter”. As we speak, he’s been spouting antisemitic conspiracies and praising
Hitler. Her problems with him began in earnest in 2020, when he said at a
presidential campaign rally that he and then-wife Kim Kardashian had considered
aborting their eldest child. “You’re a fucking idiot for basically sacrificing
the mental health of your daughter,” she says.
Banks’s tone becomes one
of disgust. She’s speaking from experience: she has said she comes from an
abusive home and is troubled by the potential legacy of Ye’s outbursts on his
children. “Just because you can’t get attention from Kim Kardashian, you turn
it on your fucking daughter. Kanye, you’re an abusive asshole and you’re a
pussy for picking on that little-ass girl. You are the last person we need to
hear from about Black fatherhood and the Black family unit.”
Banks says she saw this
cruel streak in Ye when she first worked with him, but it hit her differently a
decade ago, when she revelled in being his confidante. Back then, she says,
“there was a culture in hip-hop that dark-skinned women were ugly,” she says.
“To meet him and hear him talk shit about Kim Kardashian” – around the time
they started dating – “it gave me a little bit of glee, because you’re young,
and you’re dumb, and you don’t get it yet. When you’re getting all this
messaging from hip-hop that you are exactly the type of Black woman that it
doesn’t want, and then you meet someone that you like, because the music is so
good, and he’s like: ‘I hate this white bitch’ – you’re like: ‘Yesss!’” Later
she realised how naive she had been. “As time goes on, it’s like: ‘Wait, you
hated my Black ass, too! You hate all women!’”
Does she believe there’s
a way back for him? “I would hope not – because you have had it very fucked up
for a very long time,” she says. “Kanye, did you know that the Bible was the
very book used to enslave your dumb ass? Have you ever read the Bible? I’m sure
you haven’t. ‘Oh, Hitler was a good guy’ – do you think Hitler liked negroes?
It’s way past shock culture and just into stupidity. You deserve to reap what
you sow. In the future, when you’re walking down Times Square and you see Kanye
West drinking flat Sprite out of a McDonald’s cup out of the garbage can, you
can bring it all back to this moment.”
When choosing
collaborators now, Banks says it’s about “who’s putting the money on the table
first”. She’s realised that “this is the music industry and not the music
friends”, and that she doesn’t “have any time to be part of some weak white
girl’s PR campaign about how Azealia Banks is a bad person”. She’s seemingly
alluding to Grimes – in 2018, she arrived at the home of Elon Musk, then
Grimes’s partner, to collaborate with her, only to end up deserted and stuck
there, live-blogging as Musk tweeted jokes about Tesla stock while allegedly
high on acid. She and Grimes shared screenshots of their hostile DM
interactions and both artists were subpoenaed in a lawsuit against Musk. (Banks
later apologised for the “seriously unexpected consequences” of her actions.) I
ask for clarity but Banks has already moved on: “The girls gotta get to New
Bottega levels before they’re getting spoken about by the don diva, by the
everlasting diva,” she says of herself, in a hammy drawl.
Despite being back on a
major label, Banks is trying to avoid industry nonsense, “to preserve my own
natural ability to create and be inspired by music”, she says. “What is success
in music any more? Nobody knows, and for the people who do know, it means
scheduling your smiles and crafting some weird character. I think it’s really
unfair that people call Azealia Banks a has-been – you are a never-was, and a
never-fucking-will-be. You didn’t have the courage to put yourself out there
because you were afraid you were going to fail, but I’ve had success. You only
have to be right one time to be considered successful, and my batting average
is very fucking high.”
At this point, success,
for Banks, is about “finding happiness after a long, dramatic childhood … What
if I’m writing these songs as a form of redemption? That would blow an
audience’s mind – you’re not doing this to entertain me?”
The past few years have
been about Banks getting back to what she’s best at: tearing through beats with
ferocity, wit and intense skill. She’s coy about future projects (“I’ve learned
to be vague, because I’m working on 10m things”), but is excited about her new
output. “People gotta catch up to New Bottega,” she says. “They’re gonna be
like: ‘Oh shit, this is Azealia Banks? What has she been up to while we’ve been
asleep?’” Fans are already familiar with Banks’s “ode to Italian luxury” –
because she leaked it last September. It was available for less than a day and
still made Pitchfork’s best songs of 2022 – “as it fucking should”, Banks says.
“My music is good as shit! If you can’t get off to your own shit, then you
probably should not be making music.
“I’ve done this by
myself, with knives in my back, rocks thrown at me, kicked off cliffs. And I
still keep coming back – you cannot get rid of me,” she says triumphantly.
“Y’all have all the help in the world, y’all got writers, y’all got producers,
y’all got fucking everybody! And you still sound like shit.”
‘I deserve respect’: Azealia
Banks on redemption, Republicans – and Kanye. By Shaad D’Souza. The Guardian,
January 20, 2023.
Somewhere
between the election, the pandemic, and the looming environmental catastrophe,
a reshuffling of attitudes took hold. In the past year, icons like Britney
Spears have been reconsidered in a new, more empathic, context. Similarly, the
open secrets of alleged bad actors like Marilyn Manson are finally sticking in
the public’s consciousness. It makes sense that 2021 was also the year that the
world forgot why it was so mad at Azealia Banks. The musician has never been
guilty of much more than speaking her mind, often about the kind of cultural
hypocrisy to which we now devote premium cable documentaries.
Next week
marks the 10-year anniversary of Banks’ first single, “212,” a refreshingly
buoyant tune that had an instinctive grip on hip-hop’s many contours. The song
pushed Banks into the limelight at age 20, and she spent the years that
followed releasing a steady stream of equally transcendent hits. All the while,
the public often seemed more interested in her magnetism for online controversy
— from a weird encounter with Elon Musk and Grimes to Russell Crowe allegedly
assaulting her in his hotel room. (Crowe denied the allegations.) She’s also
had her Twitter account suspended a number of times, most recently last year
after a series of tweets that were seen as transphobic.
To
listen to Banks tell it, all the drama is everyone else’s fault. And she has a
point. The past decade has seen a contradictory set of standards emerge for
celebrities, where words typed into a screen can seem to carry more weight than
years-long patterns of harmful action.
It would
appear that the tide is finally shifting. In the past year, it’s been hard to
deny Banks’ unfiltered honesty — and she’s spent the latter half of 2021
selling out arenas as a result. She isn’t even mad that the mainstream is
coming around almost a decade late. She’d rather let the music do the talking.
How are
you? They told me you’re in the studio pretty late.
Yeah.
I’m always in the studio, always working.
Is there
an album on the way?
Of
course there’s an album on the way. There’s been actually lots of music that’s
been put out. I guess the music journalists were more concerned with being
tabloids than they were with paying attention to the music. I’ve released a lot
of brilliant music in the last 10 years.
Thinking
about the track you put out a few months ago with the Galcher Lustwerk beat,
“Fuck Him All Night,” how did you guys connect?
We
actually didn’t connect. I just heard that beat, and I was like, “Yo, this is
crazy.” It reminded me of “Custom Made” by Lil Kim. I was just like, “Yo, this
is hip-hop.” I think that a lot of these so-called “hip-hop journalists” kind
of forget how to listen to hip-hop music. It goes back to the cliché argument
that everybody’s having right now, but it shows. This is all Black music.
I feel
like you’re somebody who has tapped into house and dance music from the start—
Which is
Black music.
For a
while, you wanted to name that song after Kanye West. What inspired that?
Because
Kanye trolled me a lot.
Can you
say more about that?
Listen
to my music. Listen to the last five years of Kanye West’s music. I’m superior.
I don’t have to talk about that which is beneath me. He’s been, I guess,
selling sneakers and doing outrageous shit, everything but the music. When
Kanye puts some music out that is important, then I guess we can have that
conversation. But right now, he’s kind of just like a cultural figure.
What
inspired your recent post about Lil Nas X, where you called out Dave Chappelle
for transphobia and Boosie Badazz for homophobia?
That’s
something that I’ve been saying from Day One. When I came out with “212,” I was
actually the first artist to just be like: “Oh, this is gay, this is our
hip-hop” — you hear what I’m saying? And it’s a very deep conversation, which I
really don’t care to have. It’s just all these unwritten rules of Blackness,
and what’s appropriate for Blackness, and the rules change every fucking day. I
was like, “Oh, whatever, who gives a fuck. I’ma make this gay-ass music, and
y’all are going to jump to it.” Because when the music journalists really do
their job and they really pay attention, they realize that I have been smoking
a lot of these rap motherfuckers on all types of shit.
You
played four nights recently at Webster Hall in New York — almost like a
festival dedicated to you. What’s the process behind something like that coming
together?
The
process was just me having fun, having a good time, being happy to be back
outside. It felt like the world was healing. I was having my own party, and all
my friends were invited.
It seems
like social media is becoming a bigger force in music than the art itself.
Yeah.
But it’s not music. They’re selling ideas, lifestyles, whatever comes out of
liberal academia’s ass. And it changes. It’s almost like the unwritten rules of
Blackness, it’s like the unwritten rules of just how to conduct yourself. John
Lennon wrote a song called “Woman Is the Nigger of the World,” and here we are
years later calling it one of the best songs of all time.
So, what
do you make of cancel culture?
By the
way, I think the Beatles suck.
What was
that?
I said,
“By the way, I think the Beatles suck.”
Oh.
I’m a
Beach Boys girl.
True.
But how about so-called cancel culture?
I mean,
cancel culture doesn’t really exist. Only God can cancel something. Just
because you don’t like it, doesn’t mean that it’s canceled, it just means you
don’t fucking like it, and that’s OK.
You
don’t feel like you were canceled at any point?
No.
There was a lot of jealousy. It just seems like all of these rules for
self-expression and identity apply to everybody but Black women. And [the
backlash] kind of helped me free myself from the pain of the identity of being
a Black woman. Like, “Of course, yes, I look in the mirror every fucking day, I
don’t need help knowing that I’m Black. But you’re not going to tell me what
kind of music I can and can’t make, and you’re not going to tell me what I can
and can’t say because I’m Black.” Russell Crowe choked me, spat on me, and
called me a nigger, and now he’s in a Marvel movie.
How do
you not feel angry at the world for being late?
Because
who’s got time to get mad? There’s only time to get money.
Is there
anything that you see coming up now that makes you feel excited or inspired by
the next generation?
Not
really. No. And I don’t mean that to be a hater. But like I said, the music
industry now, it’s not a music industry — it’s the most devalued art form in
all the art forms. Because with streaming and everything, people are getting
desperate, and they’re doing everything else but making good music. Doing
videos and all this other stuff, but it’s like, the music sucks. … Once
everyone started doing three hours of makeup to do a 15-second TikTok, I kind
of tuned out.
You have
a big fan base on TikTok. I’m surprised you’re not posting there yourself.
Because
I’m not a fucking con artist.
I’m
curious what you think about NFTs.
I’d like
to keep that private because I don’t want to … I’m not in the mood to give out
free game. I’ve given out a lot of free game.
What was
Covid like for you?
I mean,
what was Covid for anyone? Everybody was afraid that they would go to the wrong
corner and die.
Have you
learned anything during the pandemic and this new situation?
No. I
think the memes of yesteryear were way more intelligent, way funnier, way
brasher — they were less censored. I think there’s a lot of bullshit tied into
this whole being all-accepting of things, and diversity and whatever. Even the
nature of the word “diversity” that comes out of corporations’ mouths still
implies that people are “other.” People of color are other. And who gives a
fuck? Again, I don’t need some corporation to tell me that I’m a person of
color.
Are you
optimistic about the future?
I’m
optimistic about Azealia Banks. I love Azealia Banks. I think she’s incredible.
What’s
something that you’ve always wanted to say in a publication?
Larry
David, call me.
Cancel
Culture Is Fake, TikTok Is Lame, and Her New Music Slaps: Azealia Banks Opens
Up. By Jeff Ihaza. Rolling Stone, November 22, 2021.
It’s
three in the afternoon on the first truly hot day of the year, and inside the
Greenpoint photo studio the loud whistling of a fan combines with the blaring of
Azealia Banks’ discography to create a feverish cacophony. Outside the
floor-to-ceiling window of the studio, the heat makes a haze of the far-away
Manhattan skyline, which we have been staring at for hours. “And when I step
in, them bitches they know,” sings Banks on “No Problems”, the final song on
the 2018 re-release of her critically lauded 2012 mixtape, Fantasea. There’s a
poetic irony about listening to these lyrics while we’re on hour three of
waiting for the Harlem native to step in on set, without a real word as to to
her whereabouts or the reason behind the hold up.
“Ten
minutes ago she said she’d be here in 40, which really means she’ll be here in
an hour,” someone finally tells me, which I relay on set. I make note that once
we’re close to hour four of waiting I’m going to have to leave for an
appointment - information that is met with a grunt. “If she isn’t here by then
could we reschedule this evening?” I ask, “I can meet her any other day.” “You
can email us the questions,” replies her manager without so much as looking up
from his computer. “I’d at least like to talk to her via phone so there’s a
conversation,” I push back. We concede to figure something out, which isn’t
much of an answer, but more of an answer than we’ve received all day long.
At this
point, the music has been changed and the volume lowered. There are about nine
of us in the studio, and we all look up from our phones at any sound that could
indicate Banks’ arrival. The tension, combined with the heat, are palpable, and
as the clock nears the four-hour mark I finally leave. Outside the building a
car is parked, and as I round the corner I catch a glimpse of the passenger in
the backseat - it’s Ms. Banks, looking out the window.
It takes
three weeks to finally book a 25-minute conversation with Banks to talk about
her highly-anticipated album, Fantasea II. “Sorry, I have the Itis. I just ate
like a big fucking plate of food,” Banks says, excusing her consistent yawning
throughout the interview. I’m surprised to learn the vocalist and writer is
5’3", not because I had ever particularly thought about her height, but
because the self-proclaimed mermaid always seemed height-less, as if that were
a feature that didn’t pertain to someone as talented as she is controversial.
It’s only after speaking to her over the phone that I become curious enough to
research it - her voice is big and commandeering, which, unlike her height, is
unsurprising.
Azealia
was only 20 years old when she released the song “212”, which became an instant
classic while also cementing her place in an industry that was excited to see
what the talented wunderkind had under her sleeve. A year later, she released
Fantasea via Twitter, a mixtape that further showcased Banks’ talent - both in
merging a slew of genres and in her vocal capacity; combining singing and
rapping with an ease that leaves even some music veterans in the dust.
This
amalgamation of musical references comes from her “general liking of music,”
she says. “Well I guess it’s math, when you break it down... But I really like
to challenge myself in that way, I like to find new feelings and I like to play
with old themes and old things from the past,” she continues. “I like to find
new ways to make things work and make things sound fresh to myself.” For
example, she compares the vocal hook on “Moving on Up (Coco’s Song)” (from the
RZA-directed movie, Love Beats Rhymes, which also marked Banks’ acting debut),
to Mariah Carey, and continues to name Destiny’s Child, Lil Kim, house music,
and R&B as influences she grew up listening to.
Following
Fantasea, Banks announced she had begun working on her debut album, Broke With
Expensive Taste, a project that suffered through years of delays, but which
ultimately resulted in another round of positive reviews. In the following
years, Banks became busy with other projects, including the aforementioned
RZA-directed film and another mixtape, Slay-Z, released in 2016. With so much
work between her debut and her latest venture, it’s interesting that her newest
work takes on Fantasea, and I’m curious about the differences between that
project and its upcoming second volume.
“Everything
just sounds more mature, I think. Other people may disagree, other people may
go back and hear some of the Fantasea tracks and think that they're better than
the ones on Fantasea II,” Banks says. I ask what were the biggest differences
she felt in making this album: “I've gotten more of a handle on my musical
abilities. Back then I was just starting to make music in a mass quantity...
So, it's kind of bittersweet revisiting my first Fantasea project, because I
remember where I was in that place. I was this young girl who was just coming
onto the scene. I remember that time being really colorful, but this time
around I've just, I don't know how to describe it, but I guess those are the
words that I can use. It's... bittersweet.”
It’s
nearly impossible to talk about Banks and her career without including the
controversies that have followed her from day one - they are, after all, big
components towards the delays, label-changes, and general roadblocks that have
oftentimes overshadowed her music. In fact, two days before our first scheduled
interview, Azealia’s name was doing the cyber-rounds because of a feud with
rapper cupcakKe over Banks saying she needed to get her breasts done (cupcakKe
posted their DM conversations on her Twitter), and the day before we finally
talk, Banks had initiated a new feud - this time with Cardi B, through
criticizing the fellow New Yorker while doing an interview on The Breakfast
Club. Banks’ story is replete with instances that she has both initiated and
been subjected to, which leads me to ask, “Do you want to forgive those that
have wronged you? Do you want to ask for forgiveness from those who you have
wronged?”
“This is
the thing,” she says, “It's like people get way too dramatic about things. Who
cares? People do shit. People have done shit to me, I've done shit to people.
It just fucking happens - you live and you learn and you move the fuck on.
Honestly, I don't know what people's obsession is with me being like this.
People are always like, ‘Are you a miserable person?’ Oh my fucking god. Like
I'm at home hanging out with my dogs, baking cookies, writing songs, watching
TV, and doing my goddamn thing. People love the drama and then they like to
pretend they don't. And then they're always like, ‘Oh, how could you say that?’
And then they’re talking about it for fucking two weeks and it's like 'shit,
let it go.'”
I ask,
“While we're here, is there anything that you would want to clear the air on in
any sort of topic or --”
“No,”
she interjects. “I don't even think anyone cares. That's the truth. Aside from
the fact that I don't care, I think people really don't care for this type of
shit… I really, really don't. I think a lot of it disturbs people more than if
it weren't such a focus of the media and the people in the media. I get that
it's the media's job to report news, but somehow, somewhere, especially in the
future, the media is going to have to decide what's news and what's not. Even
nowadays there's so many people on the Internet being reported on; there's no
kind of exclusivity over the content that a lot of these media outlets put up.
There's no kind of curating in a sense. Everybody's just writing about fucking
every little thing that happens on the Internet and eventually people are going
to run out of employees and run out of money to pay people to write about
things that happen, and in time twist these stories and do all these things to
make one person the villain over the other.”
I ask if
she feels a bit more in control of the perception people have of her with the
release of Fantasea II, or if it feels like a second chance. “I don't know, I
guess... if you look at my place in life - the Internet world - I guess so, but
I think people are just going to believe what they're going to. Some people...
they don't want to forgive me for things. Some people would rather not engage,
and that's fine. But as far as the music goes [it’s] just so undeniable this go
around that I will see a lot of that stuff kind of become what the fuck it is.”
“I'm an adult,” she continues, “I'm allowed to
have my own opinion. I'm not a little girl who needs to be chastised for every
fucking thing she says and thinks. And I'm not fucking around on this project.
When I was a kid I used to fuck around a lot. I mean like, a fucking dork, a
young dumbass, you know, enjoying the sound of her own voice. But yeah, it's
time to hear some fucking music shit.”
I point
out that a lot of what has been said about her in the past is that she can get
in the way of her own music and talents being heard. “Do you agree with that,”
I ask, “or do you think you've become the public and the media favorite villain
because of, or regardless of, your talent?"
“Well,
if I weren't the person that I am, I don't think I would have a semblance of
the cultural relevance that I do, you know? With black women in music, it's
really easy to be forgotten about when you're not really subscribing to the
whole... I guess, hyper-feminine idea of what a female artist should be. When
you're not being a fantasy of what society thinks the perfect woman is as a
female artist, it's really easy to get cast aside, and even when you are doing
that, it's still really easy to get cast aside. My voice and my opinion is in
tandem with my music, [and it’s] something that makes me really special."
She
continues, "I've been banned from Twitter for a lot of different reasons,
I’ve probably had my Instagram follower count stifled [with] shadow banning
censorship, all kinds of things like that. It's just indicative of the personal
power that I have beyond being the musician. And yeah, of course, sometimes you
can get a little heated and things could get a little out of hand… [but] that
happens for everybody. I have the potential to do more than just music and be
more than just a musician.”
We
return to the topic of villains, a label that has been thrust upon Azealia for
nearly the entire length of her career. I compare her being labelled to the similar
ways in which other notable black female musicians, like Nina Simone and Lauryn
Hill, have been - and continue to be - portrayed by the public and the media
alike. “Why do you think the world needs a villain that fits that trope? That
can be cast aside, and need not be heard?”
“I'm not
sure, and I kinda don't really want to know. I think the answer would really
scare me.”
It’s
important to note that there is a dichotomy amongst the controversies that are
part of the Azealia Banks story. There are the feuds, which are fodder for
gossip sites and social media, and then there are the less-publicized instances
during which Banks has consistently made the public and the media reflect on
themselves and their unchallenged consumption of popular culture. Her first
famous feud was with Australian rapper Iggy Azalea, with Banks calling out
Iggy’s “blaccent” and questionable lyrics. At a time when appropriation, racism
(particularly misogynoir), and the patriarchy weren’t topics of any mainstream
conversation, Banks was more or less shunned and largely condescended to.
“You've always been outspoken about white
patriarchal injustices before it was a mainstream thing to discuss. This is
obviously something that's very much at the forefront right now, but you were
ostracized for it. How do you feel about that?” I ask her.
“I mean
I, myself, and the conversation… I don't know, not to sound arrogant or
whatever, but I guess I've explored enough of those topics in my personal time,
and in my mind I've done enough research that... I don't know. I guess when
somebody has something new to say about it, then I'll be interested, but I
mean, everyone finds things out in different ways. Everybody grows at their own
pace."
She
continues, "I went through my learning journey and it was a bit tumultuous
and I think everybody else is having… I don't know what they're experiencing,
but it's really shocking when things start to make sense to you. Kind of
thinking that that's just the way things are; like white supremacy, patriarchy,
whatever social path system we have here in America. You think that that's the
way things are supposed to be. But then we grow up and you realize that those
things are the way they are because of centuries-old planning. It's really
freaky to think about. And I certainly don't have all the answers for
everything.”
I try to
diffuse the tension by asking Azealia what she has to say to all of her fans,
especially those who have stuck around her through all the difficult times. “I
love you guys so much. This summer is going to be great. The music's great.”
The
music is great, but that’s never been the issue with Banks. From “212” to the
debut single from Fantasea II, “Anna Wintour” (an anthem as diverse and as
impactful as her general repertoire), her consistent delivery of experimental
tracks is what keeps Azealia a fan and critic “underdog” favorite, regardless
of all the controversy that comes along with her. “I think the little mermaid is
growing up a bit,” she says. Whether the world will see that too remains to be
seen.
No,
Azealia Banks is not here to apologize. By Ana Velasco. Highsnobiety, June 15, 2018.
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